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Excellent post. I think one way to conceptualize the role of people like Destiny is like actors on strings no one can see or really *control*. Destiny's is to be the attack dog, while others like David Pakman, Brian Tyler Cohen, or Jessiah from Pondering Politics are the sophisticated and more "gentlemanly" advocates. You can get this vibe strictly based on how all these people dressed before Destiny began to take some sensible fashion advice. You need attack dogs and gentlemen to maximize your chances of successfully converting others. Where Pakman's calm aura may encourage some to listen, others will be sucked in by Destiny's higher-than-average roast game.

One thing I would note about the Destiny vs Jung conversation is that Jung *dropped* the "vibes" requirement when it came to one particular topic - the trans issue. When that came up, he was entirely down to discuss evidence, RCTs, etc. You can often get a hint of what has broken a person's brain by what they act the most scientific about. I'm sure that if they debated that issue, then he'd still have some vibe/unstated assumption or axiom that justified not changing his view, but it's important to recognize this part of how people work.

I wish Destiny had the guts to be even harder than he was and directly call Jung out. I think Jung would have broken one way or the other, but better that than implying that there's nearly as much legitimacy to his viewpoint as he implies. It's especially galling for Jung that he's an internet commentator who *has* the time to dig into the evidence, but insists on the importance of vibes for determining his own views.

There's a book you might be interested in reading called "Where have all the Democrats gone?" It came out in 2023 and more or less called out the party for the exact issue of being economically disconnected from the working class and being significantly more culturally liberal than the average voter. It also highlights the history of how that shift occurred. One lesson in it is that there's actually far more independence of left-wing media, thinktanks, etc. from the Democratic Party than there is on the conservative/Republican side.

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Thank you for this article, it reflects some issues I have had with Destiny since the election. Just yesterday he started the stream with how the US needs so much more immigration to boost the economy, and I was left wondering if he just wants to concede all elections to the GOP until the end of time.

>Then as a political matter, even when it’s factually correct to say, “It’s not fair. They don’t have to.” It’s the most limp-dick, sour grapes, childish response to a valid suggestion

This was what I was thinking, and I could smell the ban if I even thought about writing it anywhere. But I think it's even easier - in a conflict of civilization versus barbarism, it's simply a given that the barbarians aren't using the tools of civilization. That doesn't absolve someone on the side of civilization from doing so.

>And denying that fact, which Destiny never does otherwise  - but does by logical implication here — lets everyone in the Old GOP off the hook for what the GOP has become.

Letting the people that caused today's problems off the hook seems like a Democrat specialty. Neocons are now exonerated among Destiny's community, when they were the ones causing untold, lasting damage to the institutions with their lies about the Iraq war and all their other crimes. Obama, too, should receive a fair share of criticism, since many of today's problems including Russian interference grew big on his watch.

>First, you don’t “find” or annoint a Joe Rogan type character. Much like Trump, or even Obama on the left, they are anomolies that will appear and rise organically.

Bizarrely, he seems to think that you can create a media environment from the top down, such as with his idea of cutting out leftists who don't support the candidate. I'm not opposed to the idea itself, but I don't it would matter at all.

>It is exceedingly rare for a voter to vote based on policies. It’s almost always based on vibes.

It drives me crazy that Destiny and his general audience understand and don't understand at the same time that people run on vibes in general. Destiny loves economic growth, but economic growth is driven by consumer behavior, which, beyond the bare necessities, is based on vibes. He proclaims that people who "live paycheck to paycheck" waste their money on Uber Eats, expensive cars and Black Friday, but without these frivolous expenses, the economy wouldn't grow as much. But economic growth is his first and foremost priority, time and time again. You have to take the good with the bad. Fundamentally, irresponsible financial decisions are indistinguishable from irresponsible voting decisions.

This is fully in line with concepts like "revealed preferences" which he loves to pontificate about, but he fails to apply them to anything that isn't an economic textbook example. It's frustrating because he's a smart guy!

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